Strong post Mike, i am glad you started this, hopefully we can trick people into coming in here and trick them into reading and writing stuff. i just went to a Christmas play here in Greensboro, and it got me thinking about what Christmas time really is. i mean Christmas is the celebration of Jesus' birthday, but Christmas Time is usually shopping, decorating, stressing and complaining about irrelevant things. When i watch the news and see how fed up Christians say they are about "Happy Holidays" replacing "Merry Christmas" and it really looks like we dug this hole ourselves. Christians sometimes brag about how this country was founded by Christians and on Christian values. But steps were taken to ensure that no religious institution could control government. I believe that our country would be worse off even if the Christian Church, or any church controled government. So when something like this happens you have to take it with salt, and see if we can change or support it by the rules that we created (in the Constitution). When i look at "Happy Holidays" and "Merry Christmas" i think of the same thing, the birth of Christ. I do believe that Christians should stand up for what they believe in, but remember the sets of rules that our founding fathers gave us.